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Tobacco Bug

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:43 am
by mohmaaytah
I seem to be having an issue with demand for cigarettes and cigars, it is non-existent even if I set the selling price to 0.01.

Attached is the saved game
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/89089212/PLAY_003.SAV

On a sidenote, as a long time player of Capitalism II and now Lab, I want to thank you for fixing the issues in what was originally a great game and making it better. Well done and keep up the good work.

Re: Tobacco Bug

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:18 pm
by mohmaaytah
Surely I deserve a response or confirmation of some kind?

Re: Tobacco Bug

Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:42 am
by David
Actually, for the entire Capitalism series, the demand for cigarettes and cigars always continue to drop since the game begins. This is to reflect the fact that smoking is hazardous to health and thus declining sales of cigarettes and cigars.

Re: Tobacco Bug

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 6:48 pm
by dancognac
This is not true for all country. Some country the sale of tobacco increase a lot.

Re: Tobacco Bug

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 1:52 pm
by czurcz
It's actually not about the trends of sales and is not up-to-date (2004/2009), but may be interesting to the topic:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog ... by-country

Click on desired country to see the stats.

Re: Tobacco Bug

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:48 am
by Caplabusername
David wrote:Actually, for the entire Capitalism series, the demand for cigarettes and cigars always continue to drop since the game begins. This is to reflect the fact that smoking is hazardous to health and thus declining sales of cigarettes and cigars.
If this is the case, then tobacco should be removed from the game altogether. Not everyone shares the opinion that tobacco is a dying market. There are mutual funds that bank on it as being "recession proof". And it's impossible to read the designer's mind.

The player first has to guess that the designer is injecting random bits of real-world into a game-world. Then they have to guess the opinion of the designer regarding real-word situations instead of dealing with the game world. It's arbitrary and esoteric and it will trip up the player unless they guess the hidden riddle correctly.

Re: Tobacco Bug

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:53 am
by Kane
Caplabusername wrote:
David wrote:Actually, for the entire Capitalism series, the demand for cigarettes and cigars always continue to drop since the game begins. This is to reflect the fact that smoking is hazardous to health and thus declining sales of cigarettes and cigars.
If this is the case, then tobacco should be removed from the game altogether. Not everyone shares the opinion that tobacco is a dying market. There are mutual funds that bank on it as being "recession proof". And it's impossible to read the designer's mind.

The player first has to guess that the designer is injecting random bits of real-world into a game-world. Then they have to guess the opinion of the designer regarding real-word situations instead of dealing with the game world. It's arbitrary and esoteric and it will trip up the player unless they guess the hidden riddle correctly.
Absolutely true, if the demand for cigarettes declines it should be somehow shown to the player. Maybe introduce a new statistic that shows the percentage of smokers for every city.