Capitalism 2 and Capitalism Lab Forum

Hi David,

It will be great idea to add Dominance of Property and stock.. As currently there are only 4 , Retail , farming, factory and mining..

Please comment

Thank you

And media dominance, pls. I almost always buy every media in town - it's good feeling.

hmm i wonder how you would get a dominance on property ? Please read the following as criticism not as flaming

Property:
Whats your is yours, what their is theirs not realy a way to dominate something is there ?
Beside that there is ofcourse the ranking which included the total amount of property (assets).

Stock:
And dominate stock ? how ? Price ? or amount of shares ? Value of your shares ? There are to many variables to say someone has a dominance. If i have 100K shares of corp. A (total shares available 200K, worth $100 p/s. So thats 50% of shares worth 10M. A competitor has 50K shares of Corp B (total shares 75K), worth 150 p/s. Thats 66.7% of shares worth 7.5M. Who has the dominance ? Me because my shares are worth more ? Or competitor cus he has a bigger % of the total shares.

Media:
Media could be an option but with the only stable factor being the amount of media firms there is in a town, its not realy saying anything. Here aswell come in several variables which make it hard to determine any kind of dominance: revenue, profit, ratings.

So in all 3 cases, what criteria should be used to determine "dominance" ? And what would it tell you, or other players (AI or Human)

Purifier wrote:Property:
Whats your is yours, what their is theirs not realy a way to dominate something is there ?
Beside that there is ofcourse the ranking which included the total amount of property (assets).

It should be number of Apartments / Commercial buildings you have comparing with total overall other players having..

Kristo wrote:Stock:
And dominate stock ? how ? Price ? or amount of shares ? Value of your shares ? There are to many variables to say someone has a dominance. If i have 100K shares of corp. A (total shares available 200K, worth $100 p/s. So thats 50% of shares worth 10M. A competitor has 50K shares of Corp B (total shares 75K), worth 150 p/s. Thats 66.7% of shares worth 7.5M. Who has the dominance ? Me because my shares are worth more ? Or competitor cus he has a bigger % of the total shares.

FOr stock, it must total value shares you have it comparing with other players are having..
And it cant be number of shares since every companies have variable numbers of shares.

Kristo wrote:Media:
Media could be an option but with the only stable factor being the amount of media firms there is in a town, its not realy saying anything. Here aswell come in several variables which make it hard to determine any kind of dominance: revenue, profit, ratings.

Media is good idea, and it will be much more simple..
It must be based on your market shares on own media.. This information already on the media, just need add bit computation

In my view:

- Property dominance - if you have the most % of land, apartments and offices, also mansions. Let's say - you got 10 apartments, 10 offices, 2 mansions and land (35 squeres) - the game will calculate the amount of value of them and compare it with the AI's.

- Media dominance - all your media com's got more % market share than every single AI's comps.

- Stock dominance - the value of your stock in companies you got at least 1% and most 74,99% - if you got 75% or more - you can merge it and this will "cut" your dominance, but in reality this given company is already part of your corporation, not a company you just had stock in it, you don't wanna sell it.

- R&D dominance? How about that?

Also some ideas for dominance:
- normal dominance: Corp1 - 40%, Corp2 - 5%, Corp3 - 10%, Corp4 - 20%, Corp5 - 20%, Corp6 - 5% - the corp with most % is dominant

- strategic dominance: Corp1 - 45%, Corp2 - 5%, Corp3 - 10%, Corp4 - 12%, Corp5 - 13%, Corp6 - 15% - you got 30 or more % adv. against any other coprs.

- majority dominance: Corp1 - 55%, Corp2 - 20%, Corp3 - 15%, Corp4 - 10% - you got more than 50%

- full dominance: Corp1 - 92%, Corp2 - 3%, Corp3 - 5% - you got 90 or more %

You can mix strategic and majority. Full dominance IS strategic - you'll always had at least 30% more than any other corp.

- Property dominance - if you have the most % of land, apartments and offices, also mansions. Let's say - you got 10 apartments, 10 offices, 2 mansions and land (35 squeres) - the game will calculate the amount of value of them and compare it with the AI's.

- Media dominance - all your media com's got more % market share than every single AI's comps.

You may run a poll on this. If there are enough users wanting the property and media dominance to be added to the game and agreeing to the above method, the devs are more likely to get this implemented in the future.

For Media dominance's determination method suggested above, perhaps you could give an example to illustrate the method more clearly.

I would support adding these as dominance conditions

David wrote: For Media dominance's determination method suggested above, perhaps you could give an example to illustrate the method more clearly.

So let's begin:

First, we got 5 media companies - 2 tv, 2 radio, 1 newspaper.
The city's population is 1,000,000 people.
The ratings are, as follows:
TV1 - 45% /3 $ per ad/
TV2 - 20% /3$ per ad/
Radio1 - 60% /4$ per ad/
Radio2 - 25% /4$ per ad/
Paper - 50% /2$ per ad/

So let's say Corp1 owns TV1 and Radio1, Corp2 owns TV2 and Radio2, and Corp3 owns the newspaper.

Corp1 got 45% and 60% out of 1 mil = 1,050,000 potential people to adv. to
Corp2 got 20% and 25% out of 1 mil = 450,000 potential people to adv. to
Corp3 got 50% out of 1 mil = 500,000 potential people to adv. to
(2,000,000 potential listeners, reader, viewers)

Corp1 got more than Corp2 and Corp3 (not combined), so it's dominant.
is all about media share and potential viewers, listeners, readers
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Or something else:

tv1 makes 3,000,000$ monthly,
tv2 makes 2,000,000$ monthly,
radio1 makes 1,500,000$ montly,
radio2 makes 2,000,000$ montly,
newspaper makes 2,500,000$ montly

Corp1 makes 4,500,000$ montly
Corp2 makes 4,000,000$ montly
Corp3 makes 2,500,000$ montly
so Corp1 is dominant.

Is all about the profits. It also must be adjusted to the sums corp1, corp2 and corp3 pay for "new content and development" montly.
If corp1 pays 400,000$ for new content and corp2 pays 500,000 for new content -->
Corp1 still gets 4,100,000$ and corp2 gets 3,500,000$ montly.

It can be 2 diff dominances - media market share and advertising profits - in these cases, Corp1 has them both.
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So what about combination of both, as one single dominance form?
I prefer something simple as that:

Corp1 got 4,500,000$ profits this month out of 11,000,000$ montly earnings in the bussiness for all 3 corps. This makes 41% of the market.
Corp1 got 1,050,000 potential people out of 2 mil, this makes 53%. So corp1 got 94 points control of this bussiness combine of potential people to adv to and profits.

Corp2 got 4,000,000$ profits this month out of 11,000,000$ monthly earnings in the bussiness for all 3 corps. This makes 36%
Corp2 got 450,000 potential people out of 2 mil, this makes 23%. So corp2 got 59 points control of this bussiness.

Corp3 got 2,500,000$ profits this month out of 11,000,000$ monthly earnings in the bussines for all 3 corps. This makes 23%
Corp3 got 500,000 potential people out of 2 mil, this makes 25%. So corp3 got 48 points control of this bussiness

So Corp1 is dominant for complete control of media/adv bussiness with 94 points.

The following has been implemented in the latest version already:

Dominated industries now include Real Estate and Media. It is determined by the total revenue generated by firms in the industry.
i.e.
Real Estate – total rental incomes from apartment and commercial buildings that a corporation owns.
Media - total revenue from media firms that a corporation owns.