Packaged enterprise asset sale!

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You agree that corporate assets packaged for sale yet?

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shiyanshi
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Packaged enterprise asset sale!

Post by shiyanshi »

We know that the current game is imperfect asset sales, such as: a single plant for sale, or a single retail sale.
Suggestions for improvement:
1 add a column, can be packaged assets, joined in this column want to sell factories and retail outlets as well as well as brand and product technology level and press OK to package them, such large transactions can make the game more interesting.
2 can add a column to sell a certain industry.
Thank you for reading!
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This seems like an idea for Suggestions for a Subsidiary Control expansion pack but I like it. I thought about the possibility of spinning off my retail/factory stores and maybe set conditions that they only sell to us a maintain 75% ownership and let the AI manage it or something like that.
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We still have AI purchasing mechanism to deal with first. If AIs don't buy player's firms, grouping is just for show. I rarely saw AI making an offer for player's firms (If you have seen it, please post a screenshot, it's extremely rare).
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counting wrote:We still have AI purchasing mechanism to deal with first. If AIs don't buy player's firms, grouping is just for show. I rarely saw AI making an offer for player's firms (If you have seen it, please post a screenshot, it's extremely rare).
Its actually too rare. If the AI were to purchase firms more it could reduce bankruptcy rate in the high difficulty games, from what I seen is the AI is very good at identifying which businesses they need to exit and putting their firms up for sale (great exploit for human players) those richer AI companies could acquire real estate/stores to strengthen their position while at the same time providing the firms that are trying to restructure the cash they need to stay afloat for a few more years.

The AI needs to better determine when they can use a firm that's for sale or maybe a new corporate strategy called "distressed assets" that offers below market rate prices for stores that other AI's are selling that they can "flip" or actually turn around.
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AI doesn't even buy a firm when it's just a highly profitable firm. From a few occasions I encountered over the decade, AIs only buy a firm when that firm's upstream and downstream have already existed or controlled by that AIs, and the firm has to have high enough annual return rate compare to the for-sale price. Also the AI has to have just the right balance of extra cash and no other profiting options, like when players have taken all the products market and left AI no where to expend businesses through normal means. In fact, you need a lower difficulty setting AIs to buy from players (lower aggressiveness, and lower capitals). Higher difficulty AI with lots of cash and good calculation, don't even care to buy from players.

The sales I've seen so far are media firms, high profitable commercial buildings during recession, retail stores that only buy from seaports, and a farm once. (Media firms are quite easy to sell if you heavily advertise it)
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I think it would be too easy to manipulate and fool the AI into purchasing a firm that will bring loses and won't be nearly as profitable. If you think about it, most of a firm's profitability comes from the quality of the product it produces or sells, which is usually linked to your technology. The AI taking over a factory would use it's own technology while taking over a retail store places sourcing of goods at your mercy since you can raise prices and cut them off if you want to.

There's a theory in economics that assets like the stores, factories, and farms in the game are worth only their replacement value, and that makes sense. Why can't the AI just build an exact copy of your firm instead of buying it from you? What advantages could there be? Location, but that's already figured into the price. Yes training, but that's it.

I don't think the AI should want to buy assets from you, it should be very wary because usually only problematic firms are put up for sale and it should never pay much more than replacement value for that firm.

It looks like the AI pretty much behaves correctly currently and is smart. Good job developers. Yes the AI should check whether it has upstream or downstream synergy, otherwise that firm will have to depend upon another company for profits. Unless the firms are offered to the AI below replacement cost, why wouldn't the AI just build the firms themselves instead of buying from you at a substantial premium? Media firms are different in that they require no synergy. So in all, the AI asset sales/buying seems pretty good.
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azxcvbnm321 wrote: I don't think the AI should want to buy assets from you, it should be very wary because usually only problematic firms are put up for sale and it should never pay much more than replacement value for that firm.
So have you tried to drop the for sale price to replacement price, and see If AI actually buy from firms like farms, factories, stores from you? If you do please make a screen capture and share with us.
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azxcvbnm321 wrote: I don't think the AI should want to buy assets from you, it should be very wary because usually only problematic firms are put up for sale and it should never pay much more than replacement value for that firm.
I understand what you are saying, but if it is possible to make the AI smart enough to understand which firm to buy there's no reason for the AI not to buy.

Location, training, firm-full-capacity-already-working, not to mention about 100k (i think not sure right now) per sale\manufacturing\input\whatever unit.
Not to mention if the firm is not profitable it can reflect in the price (Never sold anything to the AI, so I can't say if it' exists now)

so, as I said - if the AI can handle it (to buy from you for his own profit) than the idea of package selling is great (sell a factory + tech + 3 retails? 10% discount for the bundle!)

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