AI Companies sudenly getting huge stacks of cash (bug)

[anjali]

is it normal that several AI companies getting huge stacks of cash out of nowhere?
i.e. company with 8$ a share and equity of about the same suddenly has 7 billion cash in its wallet. happened allready in 2.7.20 and downwards. just this time right away 4 companies got huge cash infusion (allready held high % on its shares) was a 18 billion cash boost for my own companies to instant buy them up to 75% and pay a few million for the remaining shares. is this intended or just some kind of error? now i got $12bn in the wallet after clearing my loans and no idea what to do with it (total assets went up from around $8bn to $24bn)

[anjali]

guess i found the issue for this problem. after setting messages to display everything, i watched it closely and did play several games w/ and w/o realworld mod (w/ and w/o tech cost 1000 in the real world script). w/ moderate to agressive competitors

Issue 1 = tech-purchase-mania
Issue 2 = selling 10 times more stocks then they own (happens only when owning player corp shares)

now 4-5 years go by in every game and suddenly every stupid company that is just sitting on its cash n doing nothing starts to buy useless tech from a single company boosting it up to sky. in the real world scenario with the [tech cost 1000] modifier in the script this has a massive impact as 5-10 companies gonna go instant broke on this tech purchase and boosting the one commpany by 2-3 bn $. realworld script for open beta is not playable with the [tech cost 1000] modifier as it raises tech cost by 1000% if ya not playing real estate from the beginning ya gonna not be able to keep up with this enormious cash. If ya do full power realestate from beginning then the game is over after 5 years as ya gonna sit on 20bn+ given for free from the AI companies stock purchase and everytime companies go broke, the one or the other of the new companies joining gonna borrow up to the max and buy the stupid tech n go instant nroke, hence new company endless boost of cash (AI is anyway not able to compete with ya in real world mod as it seems way to complex for them)

but on the other hand the AI has a serious issue with stupidly buying techs they never gonna use in many cases borrowing up to max and spend everything on techs to go instant bancrupt. capitalism plus AI was much more competitive in many ways.
i.e. company opens factory and coal mine, timber is availible form another company from the other side of the world so the factory sets up golf club production (AI speciaslised in food lol) now they buy all the mats but theres no iron on the market and they not gonna set up an iron mine to cover the demand for the factory. instead they leave the coal mine and factory on full loss until they run outa cash and put a "for sale" sign on it.
in capitalism plus (always w/o seaports if not a scenario) A.I.'s did go in the farming/ressource market if they needed to or if they noticed you make good bucks on it they just opeened the same farm and sold below your price. hence much more complicated as roughly 50% of the A.I companies was actually progressing quite well. in capitalism lab, the AI companies struggle to get anything done and once you take the seaports outa the match they are totally lost and just sitting there like ducks and issue every month new shares.

to the 2nd issue that happened in every of those games i did set up and run through. the A.I. companies that did own stock of the player company, sold the stocks i.e Pfizer did hold 100.000 shares of player corp (10%) selling 1.620.000 shares of this corp at 1.925$ thats a straight 3.2 bn $ in the wallet for shares that are worth 192.500.000$ only as he only held 10% of a total of 1.000.000 shares. thats deffo a bug

must be a way to tweak the tech purchase issue on the A.I.'s as it has in any game a huge impact (even w/o real world mod) and make them little more competitive like they acted in capitalism plus would be great. would make cap lab much more intresting and demanding.

[woody]

I have the same problem... its very annoying!

I used to buy the stock of the company which is selling its tech to others. So I get the cash...

The next time I start a new game, I will try to reduce Tech cost to 1%.

[David]

to the 2nd issue that happened in every of those games i did set up and run through. the A.I. companies that did own stock of the player company, sold the stocks i.e Pfizer did hold 100.000 shares of player corp (10%) selling 1.620.000 shares of this corp at 1.925$ thats a straight 3.2 bn $ in the wallet for shares that are worth 192.500.000$ only as he only held 10% of a total of 1.000.000 shares. thats deffo a bug

We will investigate the problem.

Could you please provide us with your save game file and let us know the following?
1) Which version of Capitalism Lab you are using. You can see the version number on the top-right of the main menu.
2) If your savegame uses a MOD, please let us know the name of the MOD and the MOD's version number.

You can find save game files of Capitalism Lab from:
C:\Users\<your user name>\Documents\My Games\Capitalism Lab Post-Release Beta\SAVE

You may provide us with your save game file by posting it here on the forum as a ZIP file attachment or email the save game file to us at info@enlight.com.

[anjali]

to the 2nd issue that happened in every of those games i did set up and run through. the A.I. companies that did own stock of the player company, sold the stocks i.e Pfizer did hold 100.000 shares of player corp (10%) selling 1.620.000 shares of this corp at 1.925$ thats a straight 3.2 bn $ in the wallet for shares that are worth 192.500.000$ only as he only held 10% of a total of 1.000.000 shares. thats deffo a bug

We will investigate the problem.

Could you please provide us with your save game file and let us know the following?
1) Which version of Capitalism Lab you are using. You can see the version number on the top-right of the main menu.
2) If your savegame uses a MOD, please let us know the name of the MOD and the MOD's version number.

You can find save game files of Capitalism Lab from:
C:\Users\<your user name>\Documents\My Games\Capitalism Lab Post-Release Beta\SAVE

You may provide us with your save game file by posting it here on the forum as a ZIP file attachment or email the save game file to us at info@enlight.com.

using the latest beta release 3.0.20 and the saved game i ll gonna post gonna be real world mod 10.29 but with slighlty altered script of the 1900 start

created a spreadsheets to account all stock transactions of A.I. person and A.I. company in 2 games (5 and 13 years of stock trading accounted) all stock trading are absolutely acurate but the issue seem to be the mergers the player company does. the next company in each game does sell 16 times more of the players company shares as they actually own. and by the value of my stocks its a few billions in cash, also the A.I stocks acuired by the merger with the corp that sold the players company stocks doesnt add up. in the 5years long game i should have exactly 1.170.000 shares of toshiba (390.000 from Pfizer, the company selling my stocks) but i end up with 2.730.000 shares thats 1.560.000 shares too much. i did need to dump 20% of toshiba in order to instant buy up Pfizer, 4 sales a 390k shares = 1.560k shares the amount i have too much. possible that merging with Pfizer just gave me back those shares i sold off.
gonna add the save file in a sec. need to copy it over from other pc.

[David]

Do you have a savegame prior to your acquisition of Pfizer that you could send to me? We would need it in order to investigate the issue.

[anjali]

no as i only made 1 save for every session hence always overwrote the previous one but pfizer did not own anything on Target (the company i acuired) but i had about 20% on pfizer if i remember correctly. same story in the other 2 saves below

in Save4 is ferroro selling 1.7 million shares and save1 5 campanies dumping instantly a total of 8 million of my shares by only 1 million outstanting creating about 20 billion $ out of nowhere (straight into my pocket with insta buy them up) this time its rea;wor;d 10.29 again but in both saves theres the tech cost modifier 1000 in the script so the tech-purchase-mania let companies that just got founded go bancrupt instantly after startup

could create more saves but kinda bussy over the next days.

[David]

We would need a save game where the player can execute a merger. As such, we will be able to compare the financial figures before and after the merger to identify the causes of the problems.

Look forward to your save game files.

[anjali]

no luck yet tried twice allready but only private investors bought up the remaining 40% of my stocks. need to get a start where A.I companies by the my public stock, can take a while ;p

well got a a bait on the hook now, april 1902 stockprice 1511$ 46.800 shares ... about 2-3 years more to play, then the A.I. start the tech-purchase-mania and i gonna merger. game saved at this point. gonna try a few versions

[anjali]

there we go, please find the save games below. anja_4 gonna be the save from nov 30st 1903, where i hold 55% of sabic and i gonna insta buy up and merge it and my total assets are $6.010.572.811 + sabics total assets $81.762.449

save anja_8 gonna be dec 1st 1903, the one right after the merger. total assets $6.110.081.656 (total assets of me + sabic and the 75% stock i dont have anymore) its another issue that right after meger, the stock i had before the merger still counts as assets and therefore i can instantly get additional $211.218.000 loan. this will be corrected in the next month, but still makes it possible to insta buy up another company, loan out again ... and so on. could buy off the whole stockmarket that way in 1 day and i just did it. total assets after buying all companies instant: $39.224.860.549, cash $32.761.657.949 and i am the only company left in the game on dec 1st 1903

the issue on the stock sales is one mix up in the game system.
My corp owns exactly 2.849.999 shares (25%) of chevron
chevron owns 46.800 shares of my corp
when i do the merger, the A.I. corp (in this case chevron) is instantly dropping my 46.800 shares @ 6.151$ which would be roughly 287,866,800$ but the message in the game says following:

chevron sells 2.849.999 shares of global invest @ 6.151$ (the exact amount of the shares i hold on chevron)
thats straight 17,530,343,849 cash lol that would be roughly 17 billion profit if i instant buy up the missing 50% for a merger. also Chevron does have actually this money in its wallet

another mixup i noticed was regarding buying a mansion
i wondered why i had that much money in my wallet after buying a mansion , i guess the CEO of Chem China paid for the mansion i received

mansion bought from Hiroaki Nakanishi for 7.747.000 oct 3rd 1903
news message: Francis S.Blake(CEO of ChemChiina) buys a mansion in rio from hiroaki Nakanishi for 7.747.000 but i did receive this mansion and after demolishing the mansion i had about 32 million in my pocket. before i bought the mansion it was only 16 million. well i am paying myself a proper salary for the good job i am doing but its only $87,7 million per year and the mansion was bulldozed before the end of october for about $8,8 million this would explain the 8 million roughly too much in the wallet. unfortunately i havent gotten a save before buying the mansion as i wasnt expecting this bug either.

2 more thimgs i moticed over and over again.
1. the R&D's after a mrger, will complete properly but the message when R&D is finished is also for a total different product and this incorrect product is then in the R&D center on invention i.e. the corp i did merge into mine did research chalks after r&d is finished i get a message that your caviar production is finished and a new caviar production is started but it did give the research points towards chalks. happened with every single research finished after a merger.

2. the Option to set up a subsidary company does disappear for good after the 1st time you save the game. this is with DLC activated and w/ realworld w/o realworld and w/o script.

sorry forgot to mention, the product_types.dbf is the altered one i posted in the realworld mod thread, thats the link to the product_types.dbf http://www.capitalismlab.com/forum/down ... hp?id=2054